tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post115487618566737462..comments2023-10-24T10:53:16.053-04:00Comments on From the field: Americans Serving in the Israeli Army--What is their status in U.S. law?arnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-42575800561261543792014-10-25T23:27:50.643-04:002014-10-25T23:27:50.643-04:00Anonymous has left a new comment on your post &quo...Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Americans Serving in the Israeli Army--What is the...": <br /><br />Post WWII, many former American servicemen assisted Israel's initial wars for independence. More Americans volunteered to assist the new nation against Arab nations' violation of treaties (1956) or acts of aggression (1967, 1974). Some of these were not of Hebrew Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-67608585516549418252014-07-30T09:08:39.970-04:002014-07-30T09:08:39.970-04:00CNN sympathetic segment July 2014. http://www.cnn...CNN sympathetic segment July 2014. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/meast/israeli-military-americans/index.html?iid=article_sidebararnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-84673478904553699442013-10-08T15:15:29.946-04:002013-10-08T15:15:29.946-04:00USC 1841 was designed in 1952 to specifically perm...USC 1841 was designed in 1952 to specifically permit American Jews to serve with the IDF or, to seek Israeli citizenship, without automatic loss of US citizenship. Prior to 1952, voluntarily serving in(as opposed to with) a foreign military or acquiring foreign citizenship meant an automatic loss of US citizenship, but was changed in 1952 to require an "intention to relinquish" US Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1161135005000850552006-10-17T21:30:00.000-04:002006-10-17T21:30:00.000-04:00I am a child of immigrants from South Korea. I th...I am a child of immigrants from South Korea. I thank God everyday that I was born in the United States and not in Korea. When I travel overseas (which i enjoy doing) I am glad and proud that i am an American citizen. I am thankful for my parents becasue they had me in America. My parents are know American citizens. My whole family is thankful for what this country has given us an opportunityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155239642879399482006-08-10T15:54:00.000-04:002006-08-10T15:54:00.000-04:00This is from a U.S. government source who prefers ...This is from a U.S. government source who prefers to remain anonymous:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Good question regarding (AMCITS American citizens who voluntarily join the Israeli military. If they emigrate to Israel under the right to return, they automatically become citizens and are subject to the draft. However, many of the AMCITS that go into the IDF do so voluntarily and specifically "to defend their arnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155099041081447332006-08-09T00:50:00.000-04:002006-08-09T00:50:00.000-04:00Thank you for opening this issue. As an American m...Thank you for opening this issue. As an American married to an American(Lebanese national), when my husband took his oath, he pledged allegiance to America. It is my understanding that he can never serve with the Lebanese Army. I am so disturbed by the fact that Americans can freely and openly serve in Isreal. What if America calls a draft and these Americans are serving in Isreal. Does this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155059179181299702006-08-08T13:46:00.000-04:002006-08-08T13:46:00.000-04:00ARN said that "The fact is, the USG is unwilling t...ARN said that "The fact is, the USG is unwilling to enforce the rules against AMCITS who go to Israel and join the military." Why is this? Is it related to the Israeli lobby? Maybe. To quote Glenn Frankel in a recent Wash Post Magazine article (July 16), "Money is an important part of the equation...pro-Israel interests have contributed $56.8 million to federal candidates and party committeesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155016487130664212006-08-08T01:54:00.000-04:002006-08-08T01:54:00.000-04:00Here's a good summary of what gets you expatriated...Here's a good summary of what gets you expatriated - <BR/><BR/>www.law.virginia.edu/home2002/pdf/workshops/0506/martin.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155010415961962692006-08-08T00:13:00.000-04:002006-08-08T00:13:00.000-04:00word - the real question, as others have pointed o...word - the real question, as others have pointed out, is what how would the U.S. treat an American in the Lebanese army? It's perfectly conceiveable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155004820578664032006-08-07T22:40:00.000-04:002006-08-07T22:40:00.000-04:00I believe there are provisions relating to serving...I believe there are provisions relating to serving in an army that is contrary to the interests of the United States of America.<BR/>Shouldn't laws regarding treason be in effect here? <BR/>The Taliban for example, while not recognized as the legitimate goverment of Afghanistan, was acting in control of 95% of the country when American citizen John Walker Lindh nominally joined their army to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155000531681456252006-08-07T21:28:00.000-04:002006-08-07T21:28:00.000-04:00Anyone who goes to Israel to fight in Lebanon is e...Anyone who goes to Israel to fight in Lebanon is either guilty of complicit in war crimes.<BR/><BR/>People who go to Israel to fight in any conflict are morally vacant. But then, this is Israel we are talking about, which is entirely devoid of morality or even basic humanity.<BR/><BR/>Call your representatives and DEMAND that they put an end to this war and to end support for Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1155000435399004932006-08-07T21:27:00.000-04:002006-08-07T21:27:00.000-04:00I'm an American citizen who grew up in Israel and ...I'm an American citizen who grew up in Israel and served in the Israeli military for a while (not exactly willingly, but that's another story). When I was about to return to the US in 1974 I needed to renew my passport and went to the American consulate in Jerusalem to do so. When I reported that I had served in the Israeli military my passport was taken away and I was told that my citizenship Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154980130746550032006-08-07T15:48:00.000-04:002006-08-07T15:48:00.000-04:00You pose a excellent question on the status of Ame...You pose a excellent question on the status of Americans serving in Israeli army. I think another important question is: Is Israel violating U.S. law in using American military hardware in killing civilians and destroying civilian apartment buildings in Lebanon. <BR/><BR/>I have read only one article on this and have not seen anything reported on television. Are the Israelis in violation of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154972199147244692006-08-07T13:36:00.000-04:002006-08-07T13:36:00.000-04:00I thought it was illegal to engage in acts of viol...I thought it was illegal to engage in acts of violence against a friendly government? <BR/><BR/>Muslims here in the Northern VIrigia are serving lengthy prison terms for firing rifles at Indian troops in Kashmir.<BR/><BR/> Joining a foreign army might not be illegal, but would engaging in armed combat against a friendly government (to the USA) whilst serving in this army, be illegal?<BR/><BR/>أبو سنانhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213826171467402183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154967275156791892006-08-07T12:14:00.000-04:002006-08-07T12:14:00.000-04:00I thi8nk the applicable law is the Neutrality Act....I thi8nk the applicable law is the Neutrality Act. Look it up in Wikipedia. It is effectively useless, considering the conditions built in. <BR/><BR/> Of course, someone of Lebanese descent joining the Lebanese Army now would not run afoul of the Act right now, but if the US officially declares on the side of Israel, then operation of law makes them enemy soldiers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154959530610579502006-08-07T10:05:00.000-04:002006-08-07T10:05:00.000-04:00That is helpful but the added factor here is citiz...That is helpful but the added factor here is citizens were recruited in the USA. At least according to the State Dept. page the stateside recruitment may be problematic.arnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154958986459234042006-08-07T09:56:00.000-04:002006-08-07T09:56:00.000-04:00U S CITIZENSHIPIn 2 different cases the US Supreme...U S CITIZENSHIP<BR/><BR/>In 2 different cases the US Supreme Court basically allowed for dual nationality.<BR/>In one case a US citizen voted in a foreign election, and in another a US citizen served in a foreign army. In both cases the Court ruled that a US could vote or serve and not suffer any penalty.<BR/>Surprisingly, the State Deoartment does not exactly support this position, and urges Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154958768458110592006-08-07T09:52:00.000-04:002006-08-07T09:52:00.000-04:00Thanks to Anonymous, who posted the State departme...Thanks to Anonymous, who posted the State department links on this question.<BR/>The news article indicates that the recruitment did take place in the U.S., therefore the following point may apply:<BR/>"The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S. , 163 U.S. 632 (1985), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a arnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154956203274511312006-08-07T09:10:00.000-04:002006-08-07T09:10:00.000-04:00http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenshi...http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html<BR/><BR/>http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html<BR/><BR/>these links should answer a lot of your questionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154947061541539912006-08-07T06:37:00.000-04:002006-08-07T06:37:00.000-04:00Thanks to Ms. Qawii and Anonymous for their input....Thanks to Ms. Qawii and Anonymous for their input. The "may" in an important choice of verbs. The substance of the article indicates these young Americans have not been conscripted but have volunteered for service. This leaves a big question to be examined.arnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277990738351577529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154941364265475922006-08-07T05:02:00.000-04:002006-08-07T05:02:00.000-04:00Generally speaking, US citizens who are Jewish are...Generally speaking, US citizens who are Jewish are granted Israeli citizenship under the right of return. Dual citizenship is legal under these circumstances under US law, because the grant of Israeli citizenship is <I>automatic</I>, and requires no oath of allegiance or loyalty. Like all Israelis, these persons are subject to <I>conscription</I>. If an American is <I>conscripted</I> by a foreignAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154939586715613462006-08-07T04:33:00.000-04:002006-08-07T04:33:00.000-04:00Here's what the state department has to say about ...Here's what the state department has to say about foreign military service.<BR/>http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7848627.post-1154900875878974032006-08-06T17:47:00.000-04:002006-08-06T17:47:00.000-04:00Current US Passports say citizens "may" relinquish...Current US Passports say citizens "may" relinquish US citizenship if they serve in a foreign army.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com